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October 01, 2004

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Martin, I just left this Comment at A Fool in the Forest, which I think helps define the crux of my question:

This Sicilian-American treasures his liberty, too (whether it's deemed to come from God, or is a "self-evident" right that the State is entrusted to nurture and protect). The effort that you and Martin have already put into responding to my easily-proffered question makes it clear that I owe the Professors more detailed questions.

For now, please note that my original question is not "how does being a theist or religious jibe with being a libertarian?" The inquiry arises from a personal history (two decades as a Catholic, attending Catholic schools through college) and a perspective that sees the Catholic Church as being severely hierarchical, bureaucratic and hyper-regulated, and as offering a version of "Free Will" that predicts eternal punishment for exercising one's "liberty" in ways at odds with the Church's teachings (even if the conduct harms no other person). Interposing such a bureaucracy between the individual and the Creator seems inconsistent with Libertarianism.

As for the poor 19th Century herbalist [who did not want to pay the government 20 lira to sell his goods], I think he might be overlooking both the many ways in which his Church historically "taxed" its members, and the many ways in which our connection to God suggests an interdependence and responsibility among humans -- which at times must be honored through appropriate "rendering to Caesar" or Garibaldi.

I am a practicing Catholic college student who is voting Libertarian, as several others I know are too. From attending Catholic High School and college, Ive noticed an innate mistrust of government encroachment into the private sector and an innate distate of government beaurocracy that I feel is at the heart of Catholics who become Libertarians. Then again, I am an uninformed college student: just a suggestion.

Of course it is possible to be a Catholic and a libertarian at the same time. I have done so for 46 years. difficulty some have with my position rises from a profound misunderstanding of what it is to be libertarian. Libertarianism involves the rejection of the use of force by the State to compel certain behaviors or belief structures. It says nothing about individual moral positions. As a libertarian, I profoundly believe that the use of the power of the State to proscribe individual behaviors which do not carry externalities is entirely inappropriate. At the same time, do not engage in many behaviors and do not associate with those who do - a manifistation of my personal rights.

To tell me that I must accept what I find to be immoral is as objectionable as it is to tell me that I cannot do what I wish to do.

Of course it is possible to be a Catholic and a libertarian at the same time. I have done so for 46 years. difficulty some have with my position rises from a profound misunderstanding of what it is to be libertarian. Libertarianism involves the rejection of the use of force by the State to compel certain behaviors or belief structures. It says nothing about individual moral positions. As a libertarian, I profoundly believe that the use of the power of the State to proscribe individual behaviors which do not carry externalities is entirely inappropriate. At the same time, do not engage in many behaviors and do not associate with those who do - a manifistation of my personal rights.

To tell me that I must accept what I find to be immoral is as objectionable as it is to tell me that I cannot do what I wish to do.

Libertarianism is a very vague concept in itself-- it simply minimizes the government such that people can fully exercise their rights. Obviously, a Catholic libertarian would need to have a correct (Catholic) view on what people's rights really are. For example, as a Catholic one would understand that children (even in the womb) have a right to life, married couples (and ONLY married couples) have a right to the conjugal act, etc...

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